Visions of Grandeur

Macroquest and 4-boxing is allowed.

- sometimes a few player controls more 4 character with Macroquest.
- and WARPING is also used (directly to Named/Bosses)

Warping is a big advantage, for all zones - these people skip all trash cleaning.

My Questions:
- is warping allowed ?
- is controlling more than 4 characters (with MQ2) is allowed ?

Thanks

warp is not allowed, nor any of the other more cheaty mq scripts.
controlling more than 4 characters in any manner is not allowed.

Dear Control,


there are people, which are constantly ignoring the server rules and warping (every day) into zones and killing bosses for top-loot.
Its a huge advantage, they zone-in, kill boss and jump out. no hours of clearing the trashes, or fight they way.

This is cheating on pro-Level.
(over months ! look at the date on my first post).


Please stop these behavior or ban the people - its ruins the Server.
If you need more informations, please contact me or check the serverlogs.

Thanks

This has been an ongoing issue for a long time. I know I brought it up to Control in PM's as well. I can't speak to the warping aspect but there have been numerous occasions I have seen people boxing six to twelve characters. Given that content come the elemental planes requires more than four to clear, I think there either needs to be bans or just remove the IP limit to level the playing field. It is just an Emu server so I doubt anyone would really care about bans anyways as there are always other places to play.

I do have to say that I do understand why people would warp though. Use Vex Thal as an example. Anyone four boxing within the rules would have to be masochist to go to that zone and clear to the end. While may be possible, I'm not sure you could do before the earlier named mobs started to respawn and their corresponding warders. Even with the reduced hit points on this server it would take ten to fifteen minutes per named mob, at the least, and then there is the corresponding trash to clear.

I also find the four box limit kind of odd. When the server first came out it was a two box limit and was subsequently raised to four. With the two box limit you could have three people group up and have a full group. With four boxes, I am aware not everyone four boxes, if two people even group up you have multiple out of group characters or need to form a raid which destroys xp for everyone. A three box limit would have made more sense but Pandora's Box has been opened at this point and there is no going back. Given that four boxing is here to stay, I think the content should just be balanced for four characters. Right now you can do pretty much everything with four up to the elemental planes with the exception of the the Halls of Honor trials, Vex Thal and maybe Emp Ssra. Then you need six, more or less, to complete the elemental planes except maybe the Rathe Council which takes more. Then you need eight or more for Plane of Time. It just doesn't seem to make sense to keep adding characters and you can't form a single group without leaving characters out or running them outside the group.

Sorry for the rant.

Ok so fair complaints of course. However considering how easy things are to get around, there's no quick systematic fix, and I don't really want to spend the limited dev/maintenance time I have individually tracking and banning people. So for now, consider the box limit removed.

If I can carve out some dev time in the upcoming weeks, I'm going to try to instance the raid zones and do another tuning pass on the top end stuff based on one group. Not sure how it will go, but might be the best compromise.

i play on euro times so i miss alot of the server traffic , but i have never seen more then 4 toons running together

and also never noticed any warping , altho i did get accused of warping when i logged in at nagafen's spawn and the accuser said he saw me at entrance and then vanish and reappear at Lord Nagafen , perhaps it was a loading bug , idk

i got 3 toons camped out there with only one purpose , and they are bound there aswell

my point is if people log in who are camped at a sepcific boss or whatever and they appear at entrance for a few seconds while loading and then seemingly appear at a boss they could be accused unjustly

as for the ip limit i'm neither pro or con , i just hope people will still team up together for the harder stuff

edit: i'd like to mention that i've only done classic and kunark so far , so maybe that's why i haven't seen any of the aforementioned infractions

By removing the box limit I'm assuming you mean going from four to six, not from four to eq titan?

I haven't seen warping but I have definitely seen super-boxes.

I'd have to say, I havnt noticed clusters in a zone maybe just naggy. Though at the same time I havnt seen any 6-12 boxers on the server and I have played quite solidly for the last 2 weeks, especially on weekends. That being said I know there are 3 guys that have 4 characters each that have been doing PoP progression, reason I know this nexause they let me come out and let me join their discord server. As for warping I have seen it a couple tines but it did not hinder my gameplay so I never made a deal about it. It was just someone in lguk killing the zone leveling and up. I really enjoy the server and enjoy the community, so whatever you decide to do, im all for it.

I understand, than control not have the time to punish the server-rules.

Warping, and my post from yesterday relates to warping ruins the server.


I give you a few more information, but no names in the public.

- Killing/looting Lord Seru, without having the Arx-Key (just zone-in and warp)
- Zoning into ToV under 1 min from PoK
- Warping from ToV entrance to Dragon for kill and loot (load alts/friends, warp to corpse).
- Farming Bosses, with Zone-in and warp to Boss

Is this tolerated ?
Instances would prevent grouping altogether and only help the cheaters.



What would happen if box-limit is removed ?

It would give no more incentive for players, who wants only 2- or 4-box.
Armies of macroquest-scripted/controlled toons with 18 or 24 characters clean all zones and raid-targets.
Aggroing mobs zone-wide with warping and AE'ing them down with Wizard-Armies for fast xp.


1. 24-boxer logs in
2. /target Translocator, Zones into OS, KC, HS, VP, warp to trak/fabled/bosses and kills/loots and zones out
3. Moves Kael, ToV, ST, ...
4. 35 mins later - all targets are down

without warping, a persons needs to zone in and kill/clean the way down (time ~ 2-3 hours).

This Server has so many simplifications (autotrain, autospells, translocators, allowing MQ2, vendors, short repoptimes, ... ) please dont remove the boxing limit. I am not familiar with Emu-Server-Code, its not possible, to turn-on anti-warping detection ?



Thanks

I am going to post reference this...I am not trying to stir the pot. I have been on this server since day 1. I started with my 2 box and moved to 4.

Yes people warp. Yes people control small armies. I have seen them and they don't impact my game play so far. I try to make friends or ask for help when I can. Have I seen vp with no dragons and all trash mobs up? Yes. Same with some PoP zones.

I'd rather not go to 6 boxes...but it's not my call. I would adjust my group I guess. There is already warping and box armies on the move. I just accept it and do what I can with what I have going.

Anyone is welcome to join the Hosix crew. We die a lot.

Vision,

Why not called out the cheaters in public? I would like to know who they are so I can avoid them too.

As to the box limit issue, if everything is balanced for a certain number of characters, I share your concern that removing the limit will hurt the server, as it would further decrease the need to group and would further decrease player interaction. I honestly would vote for 3-box limit as that would make teaming with one other person give you a full group (with 3 toons being able to handle most stuff, 6 toons needed to handle some bosses and 9-12 toons needed for a handful of top encounters). While I am currently 4-boxing (granted I just started), I would have no complaints retiring one toon if the limit was changed. Of course, because of the work that would entail for Control, I am not actually suggesting a re-balance, but I wanted to at least put the idea on paper.

I do, however, strongly believe we should keep the box limit, even if people brake the rule. By keeping a box limit, even if it is rarely enforced, it will allow Control to ban players that are repeat offenders without them then complaining that there is technically no box limit. Think of it like speed limits, while people frequently drive faster than 65 mph and get away with it, the fact that there is a speed limit allows the cop to pull over someone going 105 and give him a huge ticket. Without the speed limit, the fast driver wouldn't face any consequence for his reckless behavior.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

I have only been playing this server for a few weeks now and it is hard for me to understand the time being wasted with these posts. I strongly believe that rules should be followed on any server that you play, however in the last couple weeks I very rarely have seen anyone in any zone that I am in other than my toons. This being said I imagine it is like this for others. On a server where there is a max of like 20 people on at a time, there is a plethora of content for us to enjoy. Not to mention the 2 hour window on mobs up to PoP. I could understand the complaints if this were an original live server where thousands of people were competing for the same content but the numbers are not there. These type of things cause the dev to worry about other things than creating the coolest experience for us. While warping and box armies can ruin the experience for some, limiting the boxes in hopes of people grouping gives the same experience as original eq(Lfg for hours in hopes of someone logging in to down a mob) It is a server for the casual schedule, some people would like to just load in there own group gain a level, down a dragon or 2 and load out. For the people warping it is not only frowned upon it is against the rules. That being said I really don't see it slowing down anyone's individual progression. The chat never seems to be filled with irrate people screaming about how their mob was ks'd. I think all I'm saying is instead of trying to act like our experience is being ruined Bc of how we feel the server should be run, we should enjoy what we have before we cause to many headaches and have to refoll on another server Bc I have experienced that before on low volume servers. In this server I have found the closest thing to being back in 2003 and I would hate to have to lose the experience because of some major complaining on a minor issues

lso just because dragons are down and trash is up means nothing unless they are on the same respawn timer.

I understand the frustration when you have planned some activity , are clearing your way to the first dragon and then someone zones in and warps ahead of you ... Thats really bad and i personally would want to see some sort of retribution, but if he was in zone first and does not want to group up that's to bad , wheter or not he is warping it's still first come first serve.

Not that i condone warping , i agree with Vision that you should clear the way to any target , but like myself if i camp out at a target and there isn't anyone in zone clearing his/her way to target then i see it as fair game. Already cleared it atleast once then :p

Camping at a target or binding near it is completely different than warping. Warping has nothing to do with "first come, first served". It has to do with rules and not following them. Or even better? You are cheating at a 20 year old game. Great job.

I am not married to this server and I have no claim to it. In the end it's Control's sandbox and he can do as he wants. This is just my favorite place to play EQ. If he ups the boxes to 6? I will adjust my foursome to a six'er. If he allows warping and box armies? I will just work around them.

And this is why we can't have nice things.